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Post by NeilC on Jun 2, 2024 21:01:18 GMT
Canadian Made Vs Foreign Made
I have noticed more and more discussions about Canadian Made Vs Foreign Made. I understand that the main purpose of a company is to make money for the shareholders, but there is a point where they modify the product so much that it no longer the same product. I'm willing to pay a premium price for a premium product. I liked the following features of the Tilley Hat: - The attention to detail in the workmanship
- Premium cloth
- British brass
- The owners manual
- The Tilley Label
- The guarantee
When you start taking away these features I feel like we are getting an inferiour product. If they take away some of these features they should charge what the product is worth. In my opinion there are New Tilley Hats and Old Tilley Hats. I will buy Old Tilley Hats. That just my opionion. What do you think?
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Post by Drum on Jun 3, 2024 3:05:23 GMT
Tilley is just a brand now. The offshoring of Alex Tilley’s company has, ultimately, resulted in the complete and gone forever evaporation of everything that made the product what it was. The quality of the product elevated the brand to the point where it was worth more than the product. Whenever that happens, it no longer matters what products are made, how they are made or where they are made. Like Samsonite and Ray-ban and countless other brands, Tilley is just a word now, familiar enough to generate interest but devoid of any and all meaning. i closely examined the Tilley branded offerings on what may have been the same display rack in exactly the same spot where I first purchased a Tilley hat back in the early 90’s. Wearing a T5 built in the early 00’s, it was possible to compare the, now exclusively Chinese made hats with my Canadian version and the differences were palpable. the fabric feels thinner and lighter. Everything has a machine made look to it now. No more lock stitching, that weirdly placed “Tilley” label tab (black on white) and even the big crown label is gone, replaced by one with the wrong font, no folksy charm and zero promises regarding replacement. in a nutshell, I will not be buying any of the Tilley branded Chinese merch. its not thst I hate China or think they cannot make hats as well as Canadians, they can and do, but not under the Tilley brand. Your list of changes to the product read like a list of what made me so appreciative of Tilly my time soon.mk, Attachments:
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Post by Drum on Jul 4, 2024 13:18:38 GMT
According to Nancy Beal on Reddit, all but the “most popular three models” are still made in Canada.
If so, I guess, bully for Canada.
Still, there is something less familiar and more “foreign” than they were before 2018.
Regardless… which three styles are Chinese made now? We should be able to figure it out.
T3 for sure. LTM6 probably too. What else?
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Post by videoeleven on Jul 4, 2024 17:52:54 GMT
Seems that SOME of the cotton duck hats (T1 and T3 models) on the Tilley website are still Canadian made, but you've got to carefully check the "Specifications" section of the description. I searched "Made In Canada" on the Tilley website and it came back with this list (see screenshot), but there's also another page with a "T3 Classic" that is Made in China. Similarily there are two pages of "T3 Vintage Wanderer" hats, one page are Made in Canada, the other Made in China. <shrug>Buyer beware. Attachments:
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Post by NeilC on Jul 4, 2024 18:22:17 GMT
Made in CanadaIn order to qualify for the “Made in Canada” certification, there are three conditions that must be met. The Competition Bureau will look to see that: - the last substantial transformation of the product must occur in Canada;
- at least 51% of the total direct costs of making the product were incurred in Canada; and
- any appropriate qualifying statements are on the Made in Canada claim, such as “Made in Canada with imported parts.”
For further clarity, “substantial transformation” means a fundamental change of form, appearance or nature that makes the product new and different from what it was previously.Product of CanadaIn order to earn the Product of Canada claim and ensure your product is in compliance with the law, these conditions must be met: - the last substantial transformation of the good happened in Canada; and
- at least 98% (“virtually all”) of the total direct costs of production or manufacturing were in Canada.
For further clarity, “substantial transformation” means a fundamental change of form, appearance or nature that makes the product new and different from what it was previously.
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Post by Drum on Jul 4, 2024 21:19:55 GMT
Interesting that the requirements make no mention of who does the making in Canada.
Does Canada have any sort of minimum wage laws or, limits on hours worked per day or week?
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Post by NeilC on Jul 4, 2024 21:24:24 GMT
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