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Post by NeilC on Jun 10, 2024 6:59:23 GMT
So it’s a fair assessment that the Roman numerals on some crown labels can be, at least, loosely associated with date of manufacture. MMIV could indicate that your hat was made in 2004. Very cool data. Thanks Getting closer to a system
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Post by NeilC on Jun 10, 2024 15:48:15 GMT
Do we know when they put the nylon wire in the brim? Late 80s?
I'm sure it is in the book.
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Post by Drum on Jun 10, 2024 19:01:25 GMT
Do we know when they put the nylon wire in the brim? Late 80s? I'm sure it is in the book. It might be, I will give it a skim for that. Was that all styles or just some of them?
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Post by NeilC on Jun 10, 2024 19:20:56 GMT
I think it was the T3s.
I have two old T3s with no wire in the brim.
They also have no website on the labels.
My wife thinks it would be 85 - 86.
Her hat has green under the brim. She believes that was a new feature that year
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Post by Drum on Jun 10, 2024 21:39:26 GMT
T3’s were first released in 1986, per Nancy’s book and also some other confirming clues. I think it was right around the release of the T3 that Tilley began to use the crown labels. (I have not yet seen a T3 without a crown label)
As for the nylon wire, after an inspection of my collection, I am fairly certain that I feel the “wire” in T4’s and T5’s by the early 90’s. None of my T1’s have wire but they are all 1980’s era. All the airflow hats I own have the wire. Mine are, I think, all newer than 2000.
D
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Post by NeilC on Jun 10, 2024 22:03:12 GMT
T3’s were first released in 1986, per Nancy’s book and also some other confirming clues. I think it was right around the release of the T3 that Tilley began to use the crown labels. (I have not yet seen a T3 without a crown label) As for the nylon wire, after an inspection of my collection, I am fairly certain that I feel the “wire” in T4’s and T5’s by the early 90’s. None of my T1’s have wire but they are all 1980’s era. All the airflow hats I own have the wire. Mine are, I think, all newer than 2000. D I will post some picks of the two hats I have, plus the crown labels.
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Post by NeilC on Jun 11, 2024 5:00:30 GMT
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Post by Drum on Jun 11, 2024 11:04:58 GMT
Those are both late 80’s hats, imho.
Interestingly, they each have what I believe to be the very first sewn in crown label used by Tilley (note the multiple, defunct telephone #s, the lack of an address, and no mention of owners manuals/brag tags) while each hat also demonstrates a feature that was added AFTER production began (the dark green under brim and the female snap covers with maple leaf design).
An additional observation is that the unadorned snaps are on the hat with the “improved” green underbrim and the improved snaps are on the hat with the original, white underbrim. Goes to show the handmade nature of the hats when these were made. New materials were added per order or more haphazardly than one might imagine in a factory setting.
Still haven’t nailed down exactly when the second crown label version (the one with the 900 Don Mills address which opened in 1987, I think)) began use but I’m going to assume that there was no bright line moment when that changover occurred.
Can you feel anything like a nylon wire in the edge of the brim in those?
Great original T3’s, those. Thanks for sharing the pics
D
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Post by NeilC on Jun 11, 2024 15:02:52 GMT
Can you feel anything like a nylon wire in the edge of the brim in those? Great original T3’s, those. Thanks for sharing the pics D No there is no nylon wire in the edge of the brim. Very floppy. Totally crushable.
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